50 is also the average age of menopause and beginning of. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. Bright blessings to you. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! I f these planets and points are emphasized in the synastry chart, chances are that you have dealt with each other before. Dont worry, Evelyne. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? Ego issues in relationship. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. Hello, Skye. Thank you, Tricia. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. It isnt bad, its difficult. Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. We communicated telepathically and still do. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. They rip the rug from under you every other day. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. I am sufficiently haunted. Our situation was kind of complicated. And what does it mean our 12th. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This can make them appear easily influenced by others, which could lead them to not knowing what direction they should take with their lives. What of mother-daughter pairs? I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. We were happy plutonicay together. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Was our purpose to heal each other? Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. ? Our composite sun is in the 7 house. I do all these within a synastry consulation. Your article is amazing! My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. crone status for women. or is it irrelevant ? The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. I will look into it. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. We both have natal moon in house 12. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! This is not only with regards to emotions but also physically. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Several weeks ago, my wife revealed that she has been hiding a secret life of crushes and short-lived affairs from me over the past 4 years. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Hi!! To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. He literally proposed to me the night we met. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Hi! We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Is there nothing better to hope for? The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Thats for start. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. I'm going to be discussing the characteristics of Chiron in the 10th house in the birth chart.Follow me Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jaleel.darboIn. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. More appreciative of that special melding? In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. I feel sad about that. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. Could I ask Your opinion? and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Its pretty rare. My sympathies. I've been hearing it's some kind of unrequited love for the venus person's part, but . I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. VERY-VERY SORRY! Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Thank you SO very much for this post. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. Thank you very much Dawn. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. venus+mars, etc. . Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. This is brilliant and compassionate. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. What is your thought on this. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. Sense of self and feeling of completeness comes from your identification with the Divine. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. How ironic! It doesnt matter. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. I use both in my practice. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . any input would be greatly appreciated!!! My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Thanks Dawn! When it comes to relationship troubles, try taking an alternative approach. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. We all find our gods where we can and must. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Everything you said is so on point. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). You have nailed my experience. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. Hi Evelyne. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Composite Venus in the 12th House. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. . Just a knowing if you will. Thank you for your insight. We are fated, but we are meant to part. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Jul 28, 2011. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. WhiteLotus. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. A very painful and challenging connection. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. !Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. should i run away from this relationship? Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. It has been a very long journey! Unable to forget it? Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. Youre writing is inspired. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. Then we hurt each other. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Im from a country in southamerica. This makes so much sense. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. Just not what I wanted to hear. The south node lies there on the natal composite. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Im so confused by this mix! Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. They do not, however, lose interest once they have completed their aim.
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